Search Results: "petere"

11 June 2008

Gunnar Wolf: No, it's not

Several people have approached me (or I've stumbled upon their sites) asking me about something called Debian 5.0 Beta 2.
It. Is. Not. That.
Please read clearly the announcement for Debian Installer lenny beta 2 - Yes, I understand this reached many people who are not involved in Debian but are enthusiastic users nevertheless. In short: The only thing that reached the beta is the debian-installer program (usually called just d-i), the amazing piece of code that handles a Debian installation in your system. And yes, it is meant for wide testing and work.
But please, do not take this as a preview of the new Debian release - it is not. If you install a system using this version of d-i, you will be tracking the Testing branch of Debian, and your system will be in a continuous state of flux. Yes, we do expect a freeze of Lenny in the next couple of weeks, after what it will be quite close to a Beta release (i.e. almost no new versions, no fresh software, just bug fixes). But hey - A Beta is supposed to be close to release quality. And if you look at the release-critical bugs affecting the Testing branch (green line), you will clearly see we have over 400 bugs to fix before Lenny is allowed to be called stable. And that's only one of the criteria needed to reach Lenny - Glance over at the Debian Release Management page to quickly understand the nature of changes still to come.
Oh, and of course - Even if it is not necessarily up-to-date, I have found the Wiki page created by Peter Eisentraut as an excellent place to start working whenever I have some free time: Lenny Release Goals.
so... If you are not yet working towards making Debian the best distribution ever, and Lenny the best Debian release ever, you now know where we need your help ;-)
(side note: d-i team, maybe the next announcement could use some words pointing out we are not doing a Debian beta program, just a d-i beta release?)

2 June 2008

Romain Beauxis: About KDE4...

Well, I feel I have been too rude with my recent comment on the KDE4 transition, so I feel the need to clarify a bit. First, I must declare that I am, and have always been KDE-enthusiastic. Since the very begining of my linux experience, KDE has always been my favorite desktop environement. I have been trying others, but couldn't only but stick back to it. And, yes, I am still, and looking forward for KDE4. So, I enthusiastically decided few months ago to give it a try. This was long after the big release party organised at google's. Man, a desktop environement released at google's, I was really expecting something breaking new out of it ! Some apt-get wizardry later, invoking experimental stuff, and I was done. Yes, on that point, it has always been clear that KDE packagers do a great job. But the desktop experience was on the opposite completely disapointing. First of all I must admit that I don't like those "all is everything" theory. I have never been able to reduce everything to a single concept so far. Hence, the "all is widget" didn't really convinced me. I guess that the fact that files in the desktop are widgets "icons" that couldn't be draged and droped into an file navigator window nor deleted when the widget was removed was somehow ironic... But well, this is a desktop experience, it's mostly a matter of taste, and I don't pretend to have a more relevant one than anyone. And, so far, the discussions I've seen on the pro and cons for KDE4 against KDE 3.9 focused mainly on this desktop experience. Very well. But, I don't think KDE can be reduced to how to configure this panel or to add that fancy widget. In particular, KDE has always been very popular for the strong integration of the various applications available, and the variety of those. And that's where I'm concerned. Peter pointed out some limitations or bugs he has encoutered. I also pointed out one other about kopete not being able to connect to IRC anymore. A comment on the same blog explained that I was free to keep using kde 3.9. I would. But, from the actual packaging structure as available in experimental, it seems the new KDE4 packages are meant to replace KDE 3.9 packages. So, where is the choice then ? Besides, for the "unfinished" criticism, I didn't mean that KDE 4.1 is beta, but that KDE4 itself is not mature enough. When KDE4 went out and people started using it, they discovered several things that weren't finished. The release was done : 4.0 was out as the first stable release, but developers kept answering to the "missing feature" requests : "Well, the main change is inside the engine, we will make use of it very soon. Besides, we needed feedback and an inital release for helping external developers to port their applications." So, clearly, KDE 4.0 was not ready for common use. And even at this time, I could read "KDE is ready for daily usage" posts here and there. And, also again, this raised the question of the number of external applications ported to KDE 4.0... Ha, it was also claimed that "KDE 4.1 would be far more complete", indeed acknowledging that KDE 4.0, the first release, was in fact not a release ready for full consumption. Hence, I believe that all I said about KDE 4.0 above are might be fixed in KDE 4.1. But, why pushing now for KDE 4.1 whereas it's not even out, and we don't really know if everything that was promised will be ready ? I personally don't believe it is wise. We better wait for the actual release, and see what it worth. So, to sumarize my point, it would be :
  • KDE rocks :-)
  • KDE 4.0 is breaking new, and will compete with modern desktops for sure
  • But it has not matured enough and the release cycle is not reliable enough to know if it will be worth the inclusion in lenny
  • The scope of usage is large. And it does not only matter for kde enthusiastics, but for day-to-day users. That also shall need some concertation.
PS : I've finally done it.. A blog for a simple answer... I guess that was meant to be.. Anyway, hi to my fellow devels :)

31 May 2008

Peter Eisentraut: VirtualBox on lenny

I'm glad there is so much interest in KDE 4.1. I'm going to give this another try on a fresh system without any previously accumulated cruft.

In the meantime, I notice that the Debian lenny installer beta 1 does not boot in VirtualBox OSE as included in Debian. It freezes right after the "OK, booting the kernel ..." message. I had to run "install noapic nolapic acpi=off" from the boot prompt. (Perhaps you don't need all of these.) Does anyone know the reason for this? It'd be great if this could be fixed; otherwise using VirtualBox will become very annoying in the future, in my estimate.

Kartik Mistry: KDE 4.1 beta migration


* Even I am on much needed unofficial vacation because of job transition (more on this later when its done!) and even after enough playing with Kavin, I had enough time to switch to KDE 4.1 beta (4.0.80). Here are my some points and experiences which may help you in migration. My Desktop with KDE 4.1beta * I assume that you are running Debian ;) * First, follow, ana’s detailed help to switch to KDE 4.1 beta. * Panel can be resized and configure now. That sliders are so sweet. But, if you find that your KDE desktop becomes ‘white’ as Gandalf the white, do following: mv ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc.OLDANDHATED
mv ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc.OLDANDHATED Thanks to pinotree for help! * kmail and friends (kontact..) will not be migrated properly, as they are using .kde, just cp -r .kde/share/apps to .kde4/share/apps will help. * I can find everything in kontact works perfect after migration. You just need to reconfigure your pop/smtp settings. I am figuring out why it wasn’t happen. Also, kaddressbook is missing all email address, but that should not be big issue as I have backup using Gmail’s web addressbook. * I just saw that Peter and Fathi (fabo) mentioned their experiences (and answers) too. pusling continues thread too ;)

30 May 2008

Sune Vuorela: reply to reply to KDE 4.1 experience

Fathi blogged a reply to Peter in where he kind of “tagged” me to also reply. So I will. You can as Fathi writes, but it is … a bit well hidden. My encrypted IMAP accounts works without any problems on 3 seperate machines. (home workstation, laptop, work workstation). There is a slight packaging issue here though, not all shlibs were proper bumped, so make sure you have 4.0.80-something of all packages. You have moon applet and fifteen puzzle in extragear-plasma. Eyes-widget seems gone though. Not a big loss. (Or which ones are you talking about?) - and yes, I do see kde4 in Lenny.

Peter Eisentraut: KDE 4.1 experience

I tried the installation of KDE 4.1 beta 1 on Debian, as described here. I ended up undoing this about an hour later. The environment isn't really usable yet, so my advice to the public is: don't do it, on a system you plan to actually use.

Here is a random assortment of problems I encountered:
So it was quite obvious that that various pieces don't really fit together all that well yet. On the upside, I noticed many really good ideas that I would look forward to using if the overall environment worked.

The good news is that the packaging appears to be really robust (I found one packaging bug with a file conflict) and the upgrade and downgrade works well (you have to use aptitude, as described in Ana's post; apt craps out completely).
So when KDE 4 is actually usable, Debian will be ready. But not for lenny; that would be suicide in my opinion.

Fathi Boudra: reply to KDE 4.1 experience

I don’t know if Peter tries KDE 4.1 beta1 (4.0.80) but I tend to disagree with some comments. False. See the plasma icon on panel ? click on it and you’ll have what you want: panel-configuration.png Could be nice to be more verbose. True, but it’s better with each release and not really a showstopper. Which one do you want ? Indeed. KDE3 uses .kde as home directory and KDE4 uses .kde4. It is intended to not break your KDE3 until we test upgrade path. I don’t know :) I continue to use Kontact from KDE3. Modestas and Sune have switched to kde4pim and they found it better than expected. Hmm It works for me. Konsole saves maximized/normal state. Make sure you unlock widgets with plasma icon on the top-right corner. Drag and drop from K-Menu to panel. Sebas made a nice rough guide to plasma. Take a look !!! KDE4 is more than usable. It contains some glitches but we are far from sucide ;)

29 April 2008

Peter Eisentraut: Lenny release goals wiki page

I created the wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/LennyReleaseGoals to have some clickable and more selective links to bugs pertaining to lenny release goals. I found this helpful for selecting a bug to work on every day; perhaps this is useful for others as well. If someone has a clue about writing proper URLs into the bug tracking system, please contribute any improvements.

7 March 2008

Peter Eisentraut: Notification about available package upgrades

I'm sure most people have one of these, but here is my yet-another email-me-when-I-need-to-upgrade-something crontab entry, after I found cron-apt too complex:
0 */8 * * *     apt-get -qq update && apt-get -dqq dist-upgrade && apt-get -qq --simulate dist-upgrade   grep ^Inst

If your root mail goes to some place you read (probably a good idea), you will get a list of packages it wants to upgrade. When running stable, this will also effectively send you alerts about security updates.

31 January 2008

Peter Eisentraut: CDBS usage statistics

Here is a fun little statistic for CDBS lovers and haters: Percent of packages (source, binary) using CDBS over time:


Sources-sid-main-2005-04        9.76    10.02
Sources-sid-main-2005-05        10.20   10.62
Sources-sid-main-2005-06        10.36   10.76
Sources-sid-main-2005-07        10.76   11.16
Sources-sid-main-2005-08        11.05   11.36
Sources-sid-main-2005-09        11.48   12.32
Sources-sid-main-2005-10        12.08   13.12
Sources-sid-main-2005-11        12.66   13.68
Sources-sid-main-2005-12        13.13   14.13
Sources-sid-main-2006-01        13.29   14.37
Sources-sid-main-2006-02        13.59   15.00
Sources-sid-main-2006-03        13.97   15.34
Sources-sid-main-2006-04        14.38   15.73
Sources-sid-main-2006-05        14.53   16.17
Sources-sid-main-2006-06        14.71   16.30
Sources-sid-main-2006-07        15.17   16.54
Sources-sid-main-2006-08        15.84   17.04
Sources-sid-main-2006-09        16.23   17.07
Sources-sid-main-2006-10        16.60   17.24
Sources-sid-main-2006-11        16.97   17.56
Sources-sid-main-2006-12        17.46   17.90
Sources-sid-main-2007-01        17.66   17.97
Sources-sid-main-2007-02        17.87   18.12
Sources-sid-main-2007-03        18.06   18.38
Sources-sid-main-2007-04        18.27   18.68
Sources-sid-main-2007-05        18.86   19.39
Sources-sid-main-2007-06        19.64   20.66
Sources-sid-main-2007-07        19.79   20.93
Sources-sid-main-2007-08        20.13   21.15
Sources-sid-main-2007-09        20.32   21.33
Sources-sid-main-2007-10        20.81   21.95
Sources-sid-main-2007-11        21.16   22.02
Sources-sid-main-2007-12        21.48   22.17
Sources-sid-main-2008-01        22.12   22.67


World domination in about 2020. :)

7 January 2008

Peter Eisentraut: Problems with newer kernels

It has become apparent to me that the Linux kernels in Debian testing and unstable (2.6.2x) have all kinds of problems compared to the one in stable (2.6.18), especially when it comes to working with virtualization. I have been trouble booting newer kernels as guest systems in VirtualBox (bug #434723) and QEMU (and bug #449085). There is some chatter in the Gentoo forums to the same effect. I have also had trouble compiling the host system kernel modules of VMPlayer and VirtualBox with newer kernels. If your job requires regular juggling of virtual machines and operating systems, this creates big problems. Plus my UMTS card stopped working (bug #433750), also confirmed by Gentoo chatter. :) I have also tried to build pure upstream kernels myself, but they have the same problems. So my advice to those running Debian post-stable is to stick to kernel 2.6.18 from stable if you are seeing funny issues.

29 July 2006

Christine Spang: Activism

Copley Square in Boston is a busy place on Fridays, it seems, though I would guess it depends on the Friday. Today there was a whole bunch of people gathering to protest Israel’s recent actions towards Lebanon, a couple hundred people on bikes for Critical Mass (which I was there for), and a couple Green Party members handing out “fruit for free,” “soybeans, cherries, and strawberries in the bag!”, wearing some shirts that said something about voting for Ralph Nader. So, the Green Party handed out food to the bikers while we were circling up and getting ready to head out, and the bikers and protesters cheered each other on as we rode by, in a sort of bizarre, random symbiotic relationship. Today was also the first time I rode through the heart of a thunderstorm. We were passing through Harvard Square when the worst of it hit, though it was really obvious that we were heading into the storm a good deal of time beforehand. Some parts were a little like riding blind into a sheet of pins, but it really made the whole thing just a little more exhilarating. Especially when you get to ride through six inches of runoff on Mass Ave. Mmm, puddles. Luckily, I had the foresight to check the forecast and pack my laptop into a plastic bag since I didn’t go home before riding out with a couple friends from the Media Lab. Really, that’s amazingly lucky on my part. I never think of these things in advance. I think, however, that the laptop was the only thing dry in the bag by the time I got home. The ride petered out in the middle of Brighton somewhere, and a guy from BU and I broke off to head back. Neither of us really knew exactly where we were, or how to get back to our respective residences. There is nothing quite like the feeling of being completely lost at dusk, with the whole night before you to find your way back home. It’s a good feeling. IMHO. Provided you’re not lost in a sketchy neighbourhood. After a little while of based-off-the-sun-setting-in-the-west wandering, I was about to break out the laptop and go wifi hunting. Somehow, we just ended up asking for directions at a 7-11. I love friends made in really weird and random ways.

19 March 2006

Clint Adams: This report is flawed, but it sure is fun

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